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transitgraphI was just on buy ultram mexico the blog of my neighbor Lewis (yes, he actually lives next door to me and wow)) canadian pharmacy viagra prescription is an has a bike advocacy blog...small world, I know) and came across the above graph. While, certainly, the Toyota Prius has some far more advanced technology than your average transit bus, the bus is the far more environmentally friendly option.

Unfortunately, as anyone who's recently taken a cross-country bus will tell you, it's not always the good choice when will viagra be available as a generic most comfortable experience. Planes are far faster, cars allow for more control, and busses might contain a different class of patron than most suited business travellers are used to. So busses are neglected entirely by environmental writers, it seems, in favor of promoting green options that are more comfrtable.

As the above graph shows, even a half-full bus uses less than half of i use it canadian healthcare the fuel per passanger as a plane. My environmental innovation for the day would be to posh up the bus system a bit, increase fares by a fraction, and make busses actually comfortable for long-distance travel while still having them be one of the greenest ways to travel.

As air travel becomes more and more inconvenient (and expensive) travelers are going to be looking for new and better ways to get from place to place.

Thanks to Lewis for his great work at ImagineNoCars.

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Buses are good
written by Matt Simmons, July 27, 2009
But for rapid intercity travel, the rail network should really be improved.

In an ideal (my ideal, anyway) world, trains would ferry people between large metros, while inter-city buses deliver people to buy cialis australia smaller cities. From there, bikes or buses can perform the "last mile", so to speak.

Maybe it's just the fact that I really dig riding trains. I'm going to schedule a trip to Chicago sometime soon on Amtrak with my sister, and my wife and I prefer rail to go visit our family in CT. We just need more rail in the central area of the country to make it more feasible.
written by lewis, July 27, 2009
Thanks for the link Hank, keep up the good work.

Its funny how actually the viagra no doctor lowest tech things - bicycle, walking, train, bus - are the most environmentally friendly transportation options. Not only do they cause the least amount of emissions, but the resources used and the pollution created in manufacturing the needed demand is viagra propecia buy online much less compared to the personal car.

The reality is that we can't solve our environmental, transportation, global warming, etc. problems through everyone just buying a hybrid. People will have to give up the personal technologies we have become accustomed and develop new social relationships if we want to move foward and have any measurable imapct on these issues.

Bus problems
written by Foraker, July 27, 2009
Even if the cost levitra buses are posh and cialis usa pharmacy the fares cheap, the buses still share the roads with cars and trucks. That makes them susceptible to delays beyond their control. This issue can be resolved by trains, which use a dedicated right-of-way and suffer far fewer accidents that block their path. Trains also are less sensitive to weather issues. Buses may be great for trips of two hours or less, but otherwise no amount of sprucing up the bus is going to equal rail travel.
written by Kris, July 27, 2009
Any idea where motorcycles fit in this equation? My motorcycle gets 75mpg.

Typical American motorcycles get between 40-60.
written by looselycoupled, July 27, 2009
Why does Amtrak so much worse than "rail transit" considering IT IS rail transit?

And where is the "carpool with a prius" option?
Capacity factor makes a huge difference.
written by Carl Hage, July 27, 2009
When I see a city bus during midday, there are often only a few passengers (I don't live in a dense large city), so 1/10 full might be typical. It may be 3/4 full or more during rush hour though. So riding a bus is the best, but only during the times when the busses are full. Otherwise, it is worse than driving an SUV. The same applies to light rail-- off peak has sparse ridership. The transit companies I know of don't publish ridership by hour-- just totals.
written by Bob Wallace, July 27, 2009
Those solo SUV/car numbers, I'm betting they weren't generated using the 14-21 MPG BMW 750ii (car) and 20-27 MPG Honda CR-V (SUV).

Bit of bias in the listing, I'd say. Better to list a couple of order usa viagra online personal vehicles with different fuel economy ranges.
Poshing up the bus system
written by Jason, July 28, 2009
George Monbiot's pushed a similar line in his book, arguing that the efficiency edge busses have over most other transport means that a large scale switch to bussing (using the best route designs possible, to keep occupancy optimal) is one of the simplest things we can do to quickly reduce vehicular emissions. But, that most people won't be sold on this without improving the experience of bus travel.

I'm South African, and have used Greyhound quite a lot for intercity travel, and one thing I've heard many times is how much worse American Greyhound travel is cheapest viagra canada than ours [less comfortable seats, worse service, generally no "in-flight" movie to buy uk viagra pass the canadian drug viagra time, stuff like that].
And then there's Turkey...
Nothing will make bus trips the most comfortable way to travel, but it's interesting how much difference little improvements could make.
$$ bus fare?
written by ayrton1, July 28, 2009
an interesting viewpoint. i do have issues with hank's recommendation - "My environmental innovation for the day would be to posh up the bus system a bit, increase fares by a fraction, and make busses actually comfortable for long-distance travel while still having them be one of the greenest ways to travel."

posh up the buses and increase bus fares so we alter the demographic that travels by bus?

not the problem and not the solution. having traveled by train in different american cities, i see all classes of people in mostly harmonious co-existence.

the real problem with public transportation in our us of a is that it works best with high density housing and most of our country is developed horizontally due to our abundant spaces. a bus system has lower initial cost and hence break-even as compared to trains and levitra testimonial so we see more buses than trains.

and i agree with other observations listed above regarding low capacity utilization on buses during off peak hours. a better comparison would provide average daily co2 lbs per passenger mile accounting for load factors.

food for thought - many countries have switched to natural gas or bio diesel fueled buses / cabs / "rickshaws" thereby providing cleaner buses. some of these conversions are extremely inexpensive in $ terms.
there's an untapped sweetspot
written by hortron, July 28, 2009
Ok, why is a van, used for a vanpool, based on such a heavy vehicle? They use (from Ford) the F-2 or 350 chassis for these little vans. Minivans can carry 7 people with engines that are half the size. Imagine if they used a diesel or hybrid engine with a smaller van!

Let's say the bus system had a fleet of 100, 10-people highly efficient vans. And they could run a system whereby people signup for their route, a program could aggregate similar routes thereby taking 9 cars off the road and saving X amount in CO2 emissions.
written by Piers Headley, July 28, 2009
Lets not forget that trains, not so long ago, were SERIOUSLY polluting in their steam days.
All technology can be can be improved with the right will and incentives.
written by lewis, July 28, 2009
In response to the last comment, yes trains were extremely dirty, but the fact that a few monopolistic corporations controlled the railways meant that it was relatively easy to replace the older technology with a newer, cleaner version.

With cars its a different story, there are more cars in America than there are people, there is no efficient way to replace the this old, more heavily polluting fleet of vehicles with a hybrids/plugins.

About 10 million cars are sold in America each year - lets go into the fantasy world here just for the hell of viagra supplier us pharmacy it - and lets assume that every new car is a hybrid and every new car only replaces a car already on the road so that there is no growth in the overall size of the America's fleet. Even taking those logical leaps it still takes over 30 years to fully replace America's current fleet of cars.

Now lets jump back into reality and realize fuel efficient hybrids only make up 2% of the market for NEW cars. Yes that number is going to grow, and should grow pretty quickly, but there will always be that Suburban from the 70's that someone keeps alive because they can't afford to upgrade.
title a bit misleading
written by rojelio, July 28, 2009
what advanced technology? will buses be sporting new lithium ion batteries or running on recommended site gay levitra natural gas or what?
written by steve, July 29, 2009
Rail is very expensive compared with buses. The sweet spot for buses is probably 100 to 400 mile intercity transit. There is no reason why you can't make very comfortable buses - you see many in Europe.
RE: looselycoupled
written by Sean, July 30, 2009
I actually live on the west coast in an area where rail traffic is very heavy and I think I can explain the difference between rail transit and Amtrack. It is not just Amtrack but all commuter lines. Amtrack MUST always give the right of way to commercial rail traffic. Thus, rail transit has a lot less idling time than Amtrack and it's cool cialis online india increases its efficiency. I am not sure that this is what the chart is talking about, but that is my assumption.
written by Bill, July 31, 2009
I used to take rail transit, commuter rail MARC, each car = 150 in the morning. 200/car in the evening. 50/car? LOL.
RE: questions
written by Phil, July 31, 2009
Amtrak trains run on diesel fuel while 'rail transit' probably refers to electric commuter trains which are more efficient and can draw from renewable sources?

I really appreciate this graph!

written by Andrew, August 05, 2009
Buses lightly loaded off-peak? Have 2 fleets, one of buses for peak times and one of minibuses for lighter periods. With some clever application of GPS and computers you could even use the minibuses to add capacity during peak hours if you have a particularly busy rush hour. These would push the average pollution output per passenger mile of bus transit way down.

Even if you posh up the buses it would still be hard to attract more people from planes or trains or automobiles, for one particular reason: the time it takes to get to your destination on the bus. If I'm a business traveller, I don't want to have to take an overnight bus both ways and risk sleeping badly and be away from my family for an extra 2 nights. If you can take a day bus *and* you can work on the bus without disturbing the people around you or being disturbed by them then you might be able to cheap viagra online canada make more use of it...

Oh, and Greyhound *are* poshing up some of their business routes, with new buses that have Wifi and power points and more legroom (i.e. more like business class / Eurostar).
Need another item
written by Todd McKissick, August 06, 2009
Your list is missing one option that solves most of the problems people have with the other options. Oh, and it belongs at the bottom of your graph. seems to be the best option because it eliminates so much waste (unnecessary trips and viagra in the uk stops) and is the cleanest and most efficient option I can see. It would be wonderful to see an update written on this to inform the public!
written by Rick, August 06, 2009
If this study is going to include buses of varying capacities, then the online pharmacy propecia viagra next one should include Prius driver's (or those driving other hybrids) who go 55mph in a 35mph zone? How environmentally friendly is driving fast in a hybrid vs. me trying to hyper-mile in my Ford Ranger.

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