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Tesla Model S Promises 300 Mile Range: Skeptics Disagree

teslamodelsTesla is busy celebrating its first month of profitability, and it's clear that something about their model is working. The simple idea of making electric vehicles a luxury, instead of we recommend canada cheap cialis a 20 mph city car, has been a boon to the entire idea of EVs. The question is, can Tesla bring down the price while increasing the practicality of these cars?

That's the goal of the online ordering cialis Model S. It isn't going to be for everyone, with a base price of nearly $60,000. But it's a good step down from the roadster's $100,000+ pricetag. Tesla recently announced that the Model S would be taking on the practicality angle too, with a model that got a 300 mile range, roughly the same as a gasoline engine. Of course, there would still be no quick fill-up at the end of those 300 miles, but it's better than the 100 mile range that most EVs are promising.

However, in a New York Times blog post today, Jim Motavalli said that Tesla's financial officer, J.B. Straubel, admitted that to do that they would need a 85 to 95 kW/h pack, and that he wasn't concerned at all about creating such a battery. Tesla is building its own batteries now, and while they started off just fusing together laptop batteries, their technology is getting pretty advanced.

But, still, the Chevy Volt's battery pack is one of the most advanced in the recommended site generic levitra canada world, and it is 16 kW/h and costs around $8,000. Motavalli at the New York Times asked around and officials at both Ford and Aptera told him that such a battery would weigh almost 2,000 lbs and cost as much as $40,000.

Of course, Tesla isn't planning on building the car with existing technology, but they do seem much more optimistic about how quickly battery technology will progress. Though, one thing is clear, the version of the Model S that has a 300 mile range is cialis dose going to cost a hell of best price for 20mg cialis a lot more than the version that gets a 165 mile range.

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Skeptics disagree with what?
written by Tom Saxton, August 25, 2009
Tesla never said the base model have a 300-mile range. What's the controversy?
Kilowatt-hours baffle ecogeek yet again
written by T, August 25, 2009
Hank, I think this is the third time you've messed up the units for electrical energy. Could you please, please take the time and seek somebody out to help you get it straight?

This time around you used "kW/h" which is a totally nonsense set of units.

Kilowatts "kW" describe the rate at which energy is used or transferred.
Kilowatt-hours "kWh" describes HOW MUCH energy is used or transferred or, in the case of batteries, stored.

You multiply the rate (kW) by the viagra super active time (h) to get the amount. kW x h = kWh.
written by Doc Rings, August 25, 2009
I think the volt has it right for "most" people. Rarely do I drive more than 40 miles in a day, and if I do, I don't mind using a little gasoline. That offsets the cost of a huge battery that would mainly be a waste of initial purchase price and weight.
I can see the draw of the 300 mile range for the weekend trips, though, with the caveat that you better have your charging plans pre-defined before getting too far from home.
I think the habit will be to plug it in nightly. The downside to a bigger battery pack might be the psychology of "I don't have to plug it in every night, I've got so much range" and before you know it, the batteries dead for want of a charge.
The solution, of course, is some sort of smart passive charging in the garage. Like an induction coil under the levitra generico vehicle. No muss, no fuss charging, no wires, no disconnects before backing out of the garage.
Passive charging doesn't do much for the apartment dweller, but could work if the coil's controlling computer required a matched RFID on the vehicle, perhaps.

Just brainstorming here...

Love Ecogeek,
keep up the good work,
written by Bob Wallace, August 26, 2009
Doc - the Volt almost certainly has it right for most people. GM and Toyota worked together to determine the driving habits of US drivers. Something like 85% of daily driving is under 40 miles and that's what GM designed the Volt to serve.

PHEVs like the Volt are going to be good transitional cars. But over time EV range will increase (or since the Model S is already there, get affordable). And recharge times will drop.

I'm predicting that when we get ranges of 250 miles or better, charging times at special charging centers under 30 minutes and overall car price under $30k the ICE engine will essentially disappear from our roads. Electricity is just so much less expensive than is petroleum.

When we can take a long trip, drive for ~4 hours, stop for lunch/recharge, and drive another 4 hours we won't want to pay for gasoline.

The rapid charging centers will come. When Interstate 5 was built from "Mexico to Canada" it ran through a lot of farmland and cheapest prices on levitra not near established gas stations. The government contracted with gas companies to levitra discussionsdiscount priced levitra build stations at reasonable distances along the way and subsidized a fleet of "rescue" trucks to aid out of fuel motorists who didn't believe the "Next Service 35 Miles" signs. Same will happen for charging EVs.

And curbside charging will come as well for those who don't have a garage. It's being installed now in many cities. It might be inductive installed under the parking spot (Nissan is no prescription saturday delivery tramadol working on that) or it might be plug in "parking meters" like SF is installing.

I'd guess that we're going to have GPS assisted reserved parking spots and automatic billing to our charge cards before long.
Don't need 300
written by Drew, August 26, 2009
I would have thought somewhere like Hong Kong (where I live smilies/smiley.gif) would have been a better launch place. We don't need 300 km let alone miles. Not to mention the ego of drug cialis the average car driver these would sell like hot cakes.
Electricity isn't as clean as you think
written by Ian, August 26, 2009
It's important to remember that electricity isn't a clean fuel. In some parts of the country you'd bebetter off driving a Prius than a Tesla or Volt. We need electric cars and plug-in hybrids, but we also need clean renewable electricity generation.
written by Bob Wallace, August 26, 2009
In some parts of the country you'd bebetter off driving a Prius than a Tesla or Volt.

I don't believe that is correct. What I've read is that coal->electricity->road is more energy efficient (less carbon releasing) than is petroleum->road. A car powered totally by coal produced electricity is less polluting than one powered by oil.

That's not to say that we shouldn't keep trying to increase the rate of transition from fossil fuels to renewables. We've gone from getting 50% of our electricity from coal down to 46% while the percentage of wind and solar production has risen.

The latest figures from the Energy Information Administration show that net U.S. electrical generation from renewable energy sources (biomass, geothermal, solar, water, wind) reached an all-time monthly high in May 2009. Combined, those sources accounted for 13 percent of total electrical generation in the U.S.

In 2006 combined renewables gave us 9.5% of our electricity. That's a 37% increase in three years. Good, but we can and must do better.
little steps
written by Drew, August 26, 2009
I think that if everyone went electric cars, we could all then apply appropriate pressure collectively on how that electricity is generated.
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This sentence is the root problem
written by beforewisdom, August 26, 2009
That's the goal of the Model S. It isn't going to be for everyone, with a base price of nearly $60,000.

That sentence is the root problem.
written by Bob Wallace, August 26, 2009
before -

Perhaps you could explain what you mean.

I don't follow you....
To "Mr Sinister"
written by johnny, August 27, 2009
Why is it that there's always at least one obnoxious know-it-all who feels it necessary to chime in on the correct units of electrical power? Everybody knows what the article means, T ... just let it go.

Err, I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying "Hey, we can just get things wrong, it'll be alright, everyone knows what we mean, and you shouldn't point out people's mistakes or try to help them gain a better understanding of anything"? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

This site is cheapest viagra america called ecoGEEK, it is about scientific (and technological) solutions to problems identified by environmental scientists. So it makes sense that articles on here should not contain basic errors in the understanding of simple scientific concepts. And it shouldn't come as a surprise that lots of price viagra people reading these pages and posting comments on them are in fact scientists and/or engineers themselves, who can spot such mistakes and offer clarification.

My 2 cents.
written by Bob Wallace, August 27, 2009
I decided to take a look at the Tesla web site. Here are a few outtakes...

Base price. $49,900 after a $7,500 federal tax credit. That's with a 160 mile range battery pack. I did not find a price for the S with a 230 or 300 mile range pack.

Model S can charge to 80% of capacity in as little as 45 minutes. Standard charging times will vary depending on battery capacity, ranging from approximately 3 to 5 hours.

That means that if one had the 160 mile pack they could drive 160, stop for 45 minutes and recharge for another ~128 miles. With the 300 mile range pack they could drive 300, recharge for an hour and then drive for another 240 miles.

A 300 mile/hour stop/240 mile daily ability would seem to satisfy almost anyone's driving needs.

Additionally, the S pack is designed to be 'switchable', so you could go 300, swap in 10 minutes or less, go another 300, and keep that up for days once the buy fioricet swap shops are established.

BTW, the S should do 0-60 mph 5.6 seconds and have incredible torque at just about any speed. This thing is going to be a demon. It ain't your daddy's BMW.

Price, of course, is an issue for most of us but prices for new technology do cialis tablets for sale often come down fairly quickly.

Finally, Tesla says that they are about 3 years away from introducing a
written by Bob Wallace, August 27, 2009
Finally, Tesla says that they are about 3 years away from introducing a
Sites's software sucks.
written by Bob Wallace, August 27, 2009
smilies/angry.gif If you're going to character limit, then say so.
@ Bob
written by Drew, August 28, 2009
Excellent post. 160 miles good enough for me! When they making right hand drive ones!! smilies/smiley.gif
written by Bob Wallace, August 28, 2009
Let's try again and see if Hank is more generous this morning.


Tesla says that they are 2-3 years from a
Screw this software. I just spent a lot of time researching
written by Bob Wallace, August 28, 2009
Tesla and the Nissan Leaf and it's all lost.
written by Tom Lakosh, August 30, 2009
Why pay $30,000 for the larger battery when you could throw a $600 generator in the trunk for the 2 day road trip you take once a month? Of course you'd have to rig the system to charge on get cialis fast the fly and drill a hole for the generator exhaust but all EVs should have this auxiliary generator feature built in.
written by Kablo Kanali, September 25, 2013
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