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VIDEO: Better Place’s Swap Station

Better Place is just one of many companies trying to canadian rx viagra make electric vehicles the status quo. At this point, though, they are the only ones who believe in the idea that a battery swap station will work.

First of all, a clarification: BP says that the vast majority of the time, swapping out your battery will NOT be necessary. Given the battery’s anticipated range (100 miles) combined with the widespread installation of charge points (little fire-hydrant-shaped hubs where you can plug your car in), a typical customer will never need more miles than the cialis low price battery can provide. The swap station is only for occasional 100+ mile trips, or for situations where you’re running on empty, but you don’t have time to stop.

How does it work? Well, I’ll let the video above do most of the talking. But here are a couple of things to keep in mind as you watch (as verified by BP representatives):

  • The swap station’s footprint is considerably smaller than that of cheapest online cialis a typical gas station.
  • These stations could have more than one line; if enough cars passed through a given station, BP would build more lines.
  • It may look like such a station could only service a single size/type of vehicle, but BP quite vocally insists this is not true. The track width, the alignment of the swapping robot, the battery size and the best place lowest price for levitra shape… all these things can work. The fact is, most EV designers are working with a car architecture where the battery is mounted underneath. Modifying these vehicles to allow their batteries to swap in an out is viagra tablets not as great of a technical leap as one might think.

So is there any update on when will people actually start driving these cars? It’s tricky, because if too many people buy cars with not enough infrastructure, it won’t work. Likewise, if too much infrastructure is built with not enough customers, BP will go bankrupt. It’s a delicate balance, and the customer base and infrastructure need to grow together. Hundreds of charge points are already in place in Israel, with more to come; by 2011 people can start buying the cars themselves.

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battery swap stations, never gonna work
written by jello, May 13, 2009
The economics on tramadol on line this thing don't work.

10yrs from now, maybe I have one pure EV for commuting and an larger plugin-hybrid for family and trips.

Never gonna visit the swap station. Well, until my batteries aren't holding a charge. Then instead of paying $3000 for new batteries, I'll go do a swap.
written by MC, May 13, 2009
I'm not sure how this guy gets so much funding. A fool and his money are soon parted, I guess.
Why batteries? I ask why? Think over, wh
written by Akos, May 14, 2009
Why adding a crappy (I know its getting less crappy dozen-yearly...) chemical energy store into the system?
You make all your electrons 95% from coal in US.

If you want to solve the order tramadol with no presecription problem of not having enough green energy source in your country by making lots of cialis canada generic highly inefficient and hazardous/expensive-when-empty batteries inserted to cars and hence get the chance to promote greener energy sources as the system would just form a wonderfully green energy creation-use circle, you might just find the simpler way and buy viagra 100mg start talking about greener energy sources straight away.
Better PLaces should not be abbreviated
written by N, May 14, 2009
Surely we already have a company called BP, so called Better Places BP seems confusing and wrong.

@Akos - electric cars seem like a much, much better solution that Hydrogen though. And America can convert to less coal more solar & wind, though they should probably be doing more (shouldn't we all).

@jello I assume the idea is you can only swap if you subscribe or something like that. Perhaps hoping to get a deal with the car manufacturers so that your new car comes with battery replacements. The cost of new batteries will have to be factored in somwhere, I'm sure they won't give a system that allows blatant freeloaders.
Points of clarification
written by Rob, May 14, 2009
First of all - jello, just saying "the economics of this don't work" without a cogent reasoning for it doesn't hold much weight. Seeing what happens in Israel will be an indication of the business' likely future chances. In Israel they are requiring a set number of subscribers before they will start construction of facilities, meaning they will have a set income base of recommended site rx online cialis people giving them money and guaranteeing a revenue flow.

Second - Akos, it sounds like you're shooting from the hip a bit. Since the IEA's most up to getting viagra date info isn't in a graphical form, you can see the US's electricity production by type from this Pew Center page
Coal is the viagra online in usa major source for our electricity production, but not quite 95%. Getting ourselves off of gasoline vehicles is important because in the US about 1/3 of our CO2 emissions from from transportation, and by switching over to electric cars we can centralize our emissions to power plants. That way, as we switch over more of our energy production to renewable/low carbon sources, we impact emissions over a larger swath of our activities.
From Hawaii, blogged a little about them
written by Olin, May 14, 2009
You can see the post at Thanks for the great content ecoGeek!
written by Akos, May 14, 2009
I meant to say non-green energy sources are around 5%.
Although I did not see an up to date chart lately. Yours is from 1999. Still green energy is around 10% only.
Guys, still I think pushing electric cars as a kind of communication method to tell USA to swap to greener energies is buy viagra from canada simply wrong and typically americanish.
Overall efficiency of non-green-power source to buy tramadol no prescription tires of electric cars including waste handling of dead batteries is far less then ICE engines today.

Just start talking about greener energy sources without the hassles of electric cars.
Too slow!
written by Matthew McDonough, May 15, 2009
Granted, I have limited experience with automated systems. I do have some though, and I can not fathom why the designers of this system would make the swapping robots so increadibly slow.

Any ideas?
Sadly misinformed
written by Phil, May 16, 2009
@Akos – wrong and wrong again.

Coal is around 50%, not 95%. Even if coal was _100%_ it would still be better to use batteries (though not by much, at that point).

Efficiency: I would love to see some real, sourced numbers to back this up. Battery disposal would have to be phenomenally inefficient to make up for all the energy saved during a battery car's lifetime.

Also you should be aware that many power plants go into what's called "spinning standby" at night, dumping heat into the heatsink. That energy just gets thrown away! If we had battery cars charging at night we could actually use this power, and charge about 85% of the current American auto fleet converted to batteries.

Oh, and most people who push battery cars are also pushing green energy. We just like to stay on-topic sometime. Next time we'll interleave two separate lines of argument so it's easier for you to connect them. ;)
written by Akos, May 16, 2009
As I said, I meant to say non-green energy.
Can you please recheck the linked chart?
It says as a title:
"Most of the energy consumed in the United States is produced by the combustion of fossil fuels coal, natural gas, and oil".
And this chart is anyway somehow very strange, adding up all values only come to 72.4 not 100.
If the value 72.4 is considered the 100%, then 55,1 "something" is around 76% of the total "something".

Spinning standby energy should not be distributed to millions of inefficient car batteries through the long inefficient power lines, but kept locally, close to the power plant and used in the morning to give boost when you turn on all your kettles in the office.
Some efficiency numbers here for crunching:

Still, why not just simply start discussing greener energy PRODUCTION possibilities compared to dreaming of buy viagra in england what happens if people would start loving extremely expensive and less comfortable new battery cars and then letting sales persons talking about that the energy to their battery cars might happen to viagra how to buy come from some later greener energy production plants.

written by Matthew, May 18, 2009

Without comparison, hills can look like a mountains.

Regardless of the exact percentages, you are making reasonable, often heard and slightly tired arguments.

No solution is going to be perfect. You can poke holes in any plan. The object of the game is to pick the one with fewer(or smaller) holes.

Without a counter solution to discuss, you guys are just going to be going around and cialis cost around.

Do you have any better ideas?
Miles per Dollar
written by frisbee, May 20, 2009
I'm very much convinced EV's in 'nature' are much more energy efficient and environment friendly than are gasoline powered cars. I'm totally convinced of EV's potency.
Still I'm concerned in time introduction of EV's will lead to an overall increase in total energy use. This is because it usually happens when something nice becomes much cheaper, people are consuming more of the thing. So if Miles Per Dollar output increases, car use is likely to increase as well!
How to effectively deal with this phenomenon? Because of course at Ecogeek we want environment to it's great! cialis online order benefit in first place, not people's purses...
spining standby
written by bobbybobington, May 28, 2009
I'm just interested on how much energy could be utilized from the spinning standby mode in power plants by storing it as gravitational potential in damed up lakes and so forth. Once coal and/or gas plants are phased out, the dams could be used to store and even out the supply of intermittent energy sources.

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