Comments for Plastic Manufacturing Plant (Really,,,I mean PLANT) at http://www.ecogeek.org , comment 1 to 28 out of 20 comments http://www.ecogeek.org Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:02:25 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-32484 This article reveals the truth about the North American condition: unsustainable life style! We need home grow plastics for certain if our end goal is a sustainable life-style! We admit here that change is necessary, and set forth noble in cause to adapt to home grown plastics, but fail to recognize "scale" Just like the gasoline we burn, we can hardly grow the replacement quantity to maintain the current "Status Quo" We must learn to consume less! Much less! Think of the man on the Canadian Prairies, living in a Straw Bale house, Solar heating at even -40 degrees C ( below zero!), composting, humanuring by Sweden's dry systems, to keep water tables clean, pressure canning his greenhouse and garden produce for year round nutrition, and still not entirely self-sufficient! A considerable life-style change is demanded by the falling American dollar! We will import less oil to be certain, use less petroleum based plastics by force of economics, but to replace them with home grown plastic requires even greater paradigm shift, convulsive soul wrenching screwing of the "way it is", to a new age for North American humanity - a self-sustaining situation. Home grown plastics will be adapted in the trough of the next economic down-cycle, and the greatest depression that man has ever known, hiding there. Foreign oil priced out of our reach by Asian competition will certainly spur us on to adapting new ways, Bio Diesel from Algae, the abandonment of gasoline for 40% more efficient Bio-Diesel in European style engines, the adaptation to home grown plastics, and an almost violent shift away from the current "American Dream" lifestyle are eminent. In our new sustainable lifestyle we will have different uses for plastics than today, and different plastics to work with. Recycling will be a requirement for survival, no longer just a popular notion, and the great corporate masters of today will be powerless without strong dollars to dictate otherwise! Plastics will become the mainstay of sustainability, no longer the spawn of corporate profits in the "Throw-Away" society of a long passed yesteryear of extravagant waste and sloth! - Uncle B Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:42:43 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-30742 Thanks for creating the acronym guys, you used it a sum total of 0 times in the article after you coined it. - ed hardy clothes Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:06:15 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-20998 Wow, someone needs to take a remedial English grammar class and also be taught how to proofread. - anon Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:19 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-20933 Dear Sir or Madam:, We are Cheung Hung Plastic Trading from Hong Kong. We are doing the Plasitc film recycle business, and looking for those material which list as below: 1.LDPE sticky Rolls, and also LDPE bales (no glue) 2.Pet sticky Rolls, any colour. 3.PP material can be roll or bales, color : white, nature 4.PA6, PA66, PA12 can be any form, material must be pure, colour: mixed, white, nature 5.HIPS cut off bales, rolls, regrind 6.PEX lumps mixed color, regrind larger size(5cm) 7.PP big bag (A, B grade) 8.HDPE grass form bales,rolls If you have ,could you provide to us? we can offer a very good and reasonable price for this item base on the quality. Please send the detail and picture to our email .Hope we could establish good business partner.Looking forward to your earliest reply and remain,thank you very much. Yours fainthfully, Sally Cheung Hung Plastic Trading Email:sallyhqlna@yahoo.cn FAX: 86-752-6386382 - Sally Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:34:53 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-18175 These are the kinds of innovations we as a modern society need. Fostering new approaches to accomidate the problems of dwindeling natural resources has always been on the forefront of importance for enviromentalists, consumers, farmers, developers and big industrial corporations that rely heavily on basic natural resources such as lumber, an immediate building material that will always be needed for sometime to come. However, costs and obsolete construction methods have dictated that change is upon us. A resource such as a plastic or what may end up being loosley reffered to as 'plastick' could hopefully help preserve some of the worlds rainforrests and some of the U.S. old growth forrest(s) in the High Sierras to name just a few of the benifits. Plastic as it is now produced has a direct draw on the worlds oil reserves and subsequent rising prices of consumer,automotive,medical aerospace, etc....goods and services. If this product can be grown, harvested and proccessed in the regions it can be utilized it will reduce costs across the board to all of us in other areas that we may not yet see on the surface of this issue. One important area of savings to almost everyone is the rising costs of fuel for cars, trucks (diesel fuel) and air transportation will come down if the theory of supply and demand holds true. This aspect of economics in itself will have a trickle down effect on the average person resulting in more savings for all of us in the end and also a healthier world for all of us. Hopefully. The one thing that puzzles me is, will birds and small creatures use this new plant life in the same way to build thier nests and/or migrate? I suppose we can talk about bird condos another time. - Timothy Kruska Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:25:34 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-18068 Plastics from plants have been around for a long time, check out what Henry did with a couple of cannabis plants he didn't just stuff them in a tail pipe! http://www.chanvre-info.ch/info/en/About-Henry-Ford-s-Car.html - LeftCoaster Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:07:44 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-18030 ”Can we use the rest of the switchgrass for ethanol production after the plastic is extracted?“ My first thought, as well ! Once they harvest the switchgrass, they're going to have to treat it with a chemical to break down the cellulose anyway... If the process leaves behind the plastic AND allows some fraction of the cellulose to be converted to alcohol, that would pay for the processing. - William Carr Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:30:25 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17790 Can we use the rest of the switchgrass for ethanol production after the plastic is extracted? How much of the plant would be left over for ethanol production? Switchgrass is great for ethanol because no one really wants to eat grass, so no impact to foodstocks other than arable land distribution to switchgrass crops. With projects like verticalfarm.com, we could eliminate even this impact. - OmegaVector Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:37:57 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17771 I live in Australia, and, I am afraid to say it is not the law to compost and recycle, far from it in fact - Chris Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:29:54 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17738 Talk about a new definition of "plastic flowers"! :) "growing it is proprietary bioplastic in significant amounts right it is leaves"? As an ecogeek/nerdfighter I have to argue about the correctness of that sentence, Hank! - Mat Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:26:03 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17725 :O This is so amazing! Mother Nature Technology = Awesome. - Julian Gomez Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:44:27 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17690 Makes me wish I lived in Novia Scotia! I did a green presentation at a local university in Colorado recently, and there was a woman in attendence who was from Australia, where it is also a law to compost and recycle. Here in the states, it has to be profitable for the recycling/composting centers before they'll consider the service. Currently, we only have commercial compost pick-up in a few counties. My neighborhood is the first I've heard about that is considering residential pick-up, but that's still about 6 months out. Props to your country for making our environment a top priority! - Tyler Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:50:18 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17687 exactly! that's why restricting the amount of "black" or garbage to one "black" garbage bag for every two weeks forces people to buy less packaging and choose those plastics that are recycled in our community. which is another aspect of our provinces recycling/composting/garbage law. using bioplastics like PHBA is another step to loosening our dependency on petroleum based plastics. - Lisa Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:16:20 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17685 Even though we all like to feel the "warm and fuzzies" for recycling, it's important to understand that only three of the seven resin designations are commonly recycled (PET #1, HDPE #2 and PP #5). Recycling, like everything else (composting, disposable manufacturing and even landfill engineering) needs considerable improvement before we finally land at a zero-waste destination. As a result, the most significant advancements that have come out in recent years are those that use renewable resources in the manufacturing process, instead of petrochemicals and anything that may leave a toxic residue as it degrades over time. - Tyler Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:06:54 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17684 Although lots of people complained when Nova Scotia made it illegal to NOT compost or recycle- they've set up the entire infrastructure pretty quickly to handle it. it's fantastic- all i have to do is separate my plastics (tin cans and glass) and papers and my apartment building has a compost bin that is emptied weekly into the city's compost truck, and a recycling bin that's emptied weekly by the city's recycling truck AND a garbage bin (although we have greatly reduced our garbage bags to one every two weeks). everyone does it because it's the law. too bad other provinces/states couldn't follow this lead. give a few people some fines for not sorting their garbage and you'd be surprised how many people will just suck it up and do it. :) - Lisa Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:57:48 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17680 Wow, this is some pretty awesome news. I recycle as much as I can, but in my present apartment, it is difficult as they do not provide a recycle bin and I asked the Green Team in the city for one since there was none available, and they don't provide them. I also don't have a vehicle to take things to the recycling center myself. - Tarren Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:03 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17667 I would love it if more people recycled in the states. However plastics consumption does not seem to be flagging and just as many people don't seem to recycle. Even for someone who is an advocate for more recycling and less plastics consumption, I sometimes have to purchase a product that is enclosed in a lot of packaging that can't be recycled. It's frustrating. - Jean Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:41:40 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17661 Switchgrass. Is there nothing it can't do? - stumpflucker Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:33:10 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17659 Well- That makes more sense now- all bioplastics i've heard of or seen were corn based and biodegradable. Unfortunately, here in Nova Scotia (Canada) where composting and recycling are mandated by law, the composting facilities are not set up for bioplastics- meaning that any bioplastic that was sent to the compost plant would automatically be thrown out into the landfill... what a waste. However, regardless there are many companies here (eg. pasta bags, chip bags, coffee cups/straws) that are using bioplastic (corn) as a statement. I'm hoping the more mainstream it gets that the government will change to accomodate. - Lisa Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:04:57 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/alternative-materials/1996#comment-17656 I hope they make other plant plastics with different properties that they can then blend with this one to produce different materials that have properties more suited to their purpose, because if it's just one plastic, with one set of properties, then it's not going to have a very diverse range of use. - Clinch Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:26:47 +0100