Comments for Downturns in Pure Electric Vehicles at http://www.ecogeek.org , comment 1 to 14 out of 14 comments http://www.ecogeek.org Sat, 25 May 2013 15:40:15 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-48002 Personal Electric Vehicles are the future today. Green environment is the main goal of PEV's. - George Phillips Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:31:32 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47408 Electric cars get charged at night time when grid is idle,with EV's there is no oil/filter/muffler/spark plug/transmissions/Prius taxi cab's only need brakes every 250ks the newer batteries should be good for 500kms in the next 5-10 years and with advances in solar/wind/wave energy [just look at Gernany] this could offset the power used photo cell roofs for cars.Hydrogen you still have the same polluting components that you have in a gas engine and costs.Michael - michael Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:56:54 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47406 I LOVE my 2012 Nissan LEAF. Change of paradigm, sure. DIFFERENT style of driving, planning ahead, enjoy the transition, like the Model T drivers, not a lot of gas stations for them or proper roads either. WE look for Charge Stations, learn about batteries. Do not expect a copy of the folly of an ICE (Infernal Combustion Engine). I can't wait for tomorrow, my Leaf gets better, every day. I become a better driver too. Enjoying tomorrow today with the joy of my 100% Electric Car. Nissan Leaf. - Jim Furth Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:33:26 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47405 Aren't fuel cell vehicles electric vehicles - with the electricity stored in the fuel cell? I believe Li-ion battery all-electric passenger cars have better range than fuel cell cars with stock-size fuel tanks, and don't have highly flammable fuel on board. Battery-electric cars also go about 7 times as far per unit of pollution from even coal-fired power plants as do 30mpg gasoline cars. Burning pure hydrogen in existing internal combustion engines may makes sense, depending on how it's generated and can be stored/transported. Paul I fear what good points you do raise are lost in your aggressive, demeaning, and intolerant tone that resembles at best a pushy sales pitch, and at worst the type of hate-filled ill-informed propaganda all too common in the media, particularly the heavy-handed neo-conservative media. Look into gasification before dismissing sources as feces and whatever you mean by "organic products". - CW Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:05:04 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47386 Seb, Thanks for your comment. You are right hydrogen is the storage medium. It would take WAY to long to tell how it all would work I urge you to look over the websites: http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/ and http://www.clean-air.org/ I cannot say enough good things about Roy McAlister of the American Hydrogen Association. He is one of the leading visionary/experts on hydrogen. He was one of the top scientists that helped NASA develop fuel cells for space flight. Roy's book “The Coming Hydrogen Civilization” is a bible (I have read it three times) for where we should be headed. In the virtual blink of an eye we could have every internal combustion engine on the planet running on hydrogen. The conversion is no more complicated than the conversion from gasoline to natural gas. Storage is an issue but that is being worked out. Instead of building new battery powered cars convert the current fleet of internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. Build the conversion equipment (for existing vehicles) in Michigan. While they are busy doing that they can also set up and start production of fuel cell vehicles. The negative buzz about hydrogen taking to much energy to produce is one of many myths that Roy bursts in the book. The technology is there - not in ten or twenty years but now. It just needs to be implemented! Michael Moore should interview Roy and get his story out. Also Jeremy Rifkin's 2002 book “The Hydrogen Economy” is an excellent source of technology and sociology. Furburger, Organic products can not be a sustainable fuel source. Feces should be used to grow much needed fertile soil. Let's get beyond all the BS and do this! - Paul Wellman Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:45:54 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47366 It is everywhere and a lot of money is spent on its disposal and treatment. Why not power cars from the stuff? It is free, ubiquitous and it is continually replenished. Only modest primary treatment would be necessary to concentrate it into a slurry suitable for portable digesters. Granted, vehicles might not go as fast, but they would go. - furburger Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:51:08 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47365 @Paul: Hydrogen? Ok but how to do produce hydrogen cleanly? Exact same problem than electricity. If we don't take production into account, hydrogen could have some advantages though like storage maybe... - Seb Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:59:11 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47360 It's not about reversing consumer habits, it's about creating a product consumers will actually want. You think anyone's going to buy a Leaf now? Do the current EV charge ranges make them an appealing option for most people? Why would I spend more money for a less efficient vehicle? - mike Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:59:42 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47357 I am glad to hear the electric car business is in the dumpster. Maybe people aren't as dumb as I thought. I am very confused about the seemingly giddy promotion of electric cars. Given the inefficient and polluting state of most electric production worldwide how do electric cars make any sense? Where is all of this extra electricity for cars supposed to come from? How does producing electricity at some remote power plant belching pollution and pushing it over an inefficient power grid and then using it to power a car make any sense? Sounds like more Big Business propaganda aimed at gullible consumers to me. We need real answers to our energy crisis – not more silly hype. As my dear old Dad used to say “you gotta have more money than brains to buy into this BS”. There is a way to turn our energy crisis around and it is Hydrogen. No one is picking this up. You can run the trains, planes, buses and cars we have today on limitless, clean fuel. I am not pulling your leg. I urge you to check out http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/ and http://www.clean-air.org/ - Paul Wellman Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:58:52 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47352 Great info here Philip. I did a Bachelor of Design majoring in Transport design, and one of my mates for the course (about 5 years ago now) did a project where he designed an electric car that looked like a sports car. Maybe it's an aesthetic thing, but electric cars would definitely get more people taking a second look when its something that will save them money AND turn heads. - Edwin Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:55:19 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47350 I found this article extremely interesting. I am a part of Penn State's EcoCar 2 competition where our engineering team re-engineer a Chevrolet Malibu into an extended-range electric vehicle. I have seen how much work is put into building an adequate electric vehicle while still maintaining consumer appeal and safety. Very Interesting! - Anderson Ashbaugh Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:38:39 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47343 Probably more advertising is neded to ensure that people understand that daily car trips rarely exceed 100km, therefore the second car could always be an electric without any disadvantage to a 2 car family. I own a wagon which I use for any journey over 40miles and it often stays in the garage for the entire month unused. - David King Mon, 01 Oct 2012 03:18:25 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47341 My husband has been driving a Volt for the better part of a year, now, and he LOVES it!!!! ;D - Karen Wiesner Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:46:26 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/automobiles/3813-downturns-in-pure-electric-vehicles-#comment-47337 I recently could pick a new leased car, but was told by my boss that the different lease companies here in the Netherlands wouldn't allow the 2 cars I was looking at (Opel Ampera & Toyota Prius plug-in) as there is still no confidence in the battery packs beyond 100.000 KM . This strikes me as odd, as I'm just finishing the current lease in the older model Prius with more than 164.000 km on the counter, and the battery is just as good now as it was when I just got it... - Robbert Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:58:02 +0100