Comments for Welcome to the Corn Ethanol Backlash at http://www.ecogeek.org , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.ecogeek.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:01:12 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-6315 IMHO, hemp's the best option. It's a bummer that politics are getting in the way of it's adoption. - greenfreak Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:12:21 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5778 Corn ethanol fights back against its critics! [url]http://cornguy.tv/[/url] - Corn Guy Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:33:56 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5743 There's one big problem with biofuel as the planet's saviour that's touched on here, but is at the heart of its problem: where's it all going to grow? Either they have to go on land previously used for growing crops which just isn't going to happen as the world's population continues to rocket up. Or it's grown on the top of the few natural wildernesses we have left. Global warming is only going to be exacerbated with the destruction of natural (which usually means more productive and more carbon-fixing) habitats to support monocultures of biofuel crops. And that's not to mention the massive loss of biodiversity that the destruction is already causing across the world. Biofuel is not, and I repeat not, a viable alternative to using fossil fuels. We must try harder to find workable alternatives with hydrogen fuels or abiotic power. - Strange but True Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:44:18 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5742 the problems with corn ethanol: 1. it is more expensive than gasoline (for now) 2. it is being heavily subsidized by the government 3. tequila prices are going to rise since mexican farmers are plowing under their agave crops for corn crops (they get more money for corn!) 4. food prices will become more expensive 5. it is more energy expensive to create/refine it than gasoline corn is not the answer, despite what politicians will tell the idiots that live in iowa. - mr name Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:04:52 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5741 Ok, this is a little bit of a tangent, but I'm willing to bet that when people read about corn crops, they automatically think Sweet Corn, which is what you buy at the grocery store in a can or on the cob that you then boil or heat up and eat. In reality, sweet corn accounts for less than 1% of corn production. Most of it (98% plus) is field corn, or "dent" corn, and most of that is used for feeding livestock. There are other uses for dent corn, and the one we are focusing on here is making ethanol. Its also refined into human consumable food products (like corn tortillas/chips, corn syrup that goes in your soft drinks, etc). The other type is popcorn, which account for about 0.5% of corn production. Here's a nice site that breaks it down for you. [url]http://www.ngfa.org/trygrains_corn.asp[/url] I guess my point is, using up a bigger chunk of corn for ethanol production most directly affects the cost of feeding livestock. The vegetarians among us may think that's good, but I love my steak, and that very well be a place where we see prices continue to climb. It really does have a ripple effect. More corn production means less soy bean production (they grow in the same area of the country). So, soy bean prices are also going up due to the lower supply. Guess where biodiesel comes from? - tchamp Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:54:26 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5740 [quote]supported 100% by government, 50% by industry and 10% by reason.[/quote] That's 160%, if they had only considered that their figures were so ridiculous they might not have launched the ethatnol revolution with such a cavalier attitude. - MathWiz Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:06:15 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5739 [quote]If the burst in legislation surrounding it teaches us anything, it's that our government can act on good ideas.[/quote] One thing to note about the way the U.S. Gov jumped on the ethanol train: The Corn Lobby. U.S. corn has been subsidized by the government for years, since it supports a lot of people, but is nutritionally more or less worthless. The move to whole grain and such in the recent past has beaten it down, and the endless march of corporate tech keeps driving down the price. Ultimately, ethanol seemed a great answer--do something actually useful and shut up the lobbyists for a while... - Goober Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:31:12 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5735 I do not trust that kind of publications when they go into these kind of things. They may very well be agents for the big companies, like we see in Al Gore's film, where in mass media publications (contrary to peer-reviewed journals) the problem of global warming gets trivialized, I wouldn't doubt for a second that they would do the same against ethanol. I cannot even imagine how we could be worse than we are now if we depended on a combination of our own gasoline and ethanol rather than our current addiction to foreign oil, which has even led us into a war that has continued for years. - Johnny Walker Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:15:11 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5727 At least we still have biodiesel! It's sad to see that we have such a hard time making ethanol, but I'd rather see it kicked to the curb (as "A Siege" mentioned above) before the system gets dependent on it. We already have laws demanding that a percentage of every gallon of unleaded fuel be ethanol, so there'll be that to deal with. - Brian Green Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:28:21 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5726 I'm not a fan of using corn-based ethanol as an alternative fuel. I'd rather we look at crops that are less energy-intensive to grow and are more feasible in sub-par agricultural lands and leave our prime arable land to grow food to feed all the hungry people. I also believe that this is more of a political than environmental exercise, creating an unfair trade subsidy to protect a well organized lobby to the disadvantage of developing states. The following, as a good Canadian lad, makes me like this solution less... [b]Ethanol's new victims: beer drinkers[/b] We witnessed the tens of thousands of demonstrators decrying the rapidly (and exorbitantly) rising price of corn in the "tortilla protests" in Mexico City earlier this year. The protests came about as a result of the growing demand for corn-based ethanol, the Bush administration's biofuel of choice. But now there appears to be a new dietary staple under threat from the rising demand for ethanol: German beer. Der Spiegel Online reports that a 2006 barley shortage will raise the wholesale price of German beer this May. Many brewing industry lobbyists attribute the price rise to farmers forgoing barley for corn in order to satisfy the global demand for biofuels, especially from the United States. In the past year, the price of barley has doubled on the German market, from €200 to €400 per ton. But it's not just Germany that is set to see soaring beer prices. The chief executive of Heineken (the Dutch brewer) warned in February that the expanding biofuel sector was starting to cause a "structural shift" in European and U.S. agricultural markets, which could precipitate a long-term upward shift in the price of beer. Already, futures prices for European malting barley have risen since last May by 85 percent to more than €230 a ton, and barley production in the United States has fallen to 180.05 million bushels (in 2006)—the lowest level since 1936. Global stockpiles of barley have shrunk by a third in the last two years. All of this augurs ill for beer drinkers, who may soon be paying significantly more for their pints. From Foreign Policy - [url]http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4516[/url] - Paul Goodrick Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:29:45 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5723 We can hope that the Corn Ethanol bubble bursts before it has caused too much damage, included too many missed/lost opportunities. - A Siege Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:04:48 +0100 http://www.ecogeek.org/biofuels/1015#comment-5719 Long story short? Corn ethanol isn't working. It's inefficient, reduces supplies of actual food which actual people need to actually eat, and increased demand is only leading to the destruction of the last untouched American prairie lands - Enrique Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:31:13 +0100