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T Boone Pickens' Plan to Save America

Oilman T Boone Pickens is not only committed to planting the world's largest wind farm in the fertile soil of Texas and electrical lines to move that wind power to market. T Boone has a plan to save America (while making a bundle) and has committed some $58 million to convincing Americans that his plan is the path to a better future. Pickens is focused on oil. According to T Boone,

America is addicted to foreign oil. It's an addiction that threatens our economy, our environment and our national security. It touches every part of our daily lives and ties our hands as a nation and a people. The addiction has worsened for decades and now it's reached a point of crisis.

Here is one of the nation's leading oil men laying out quite clearly that America's oil habit is centerpiece of risk for the africa-info.org nation in the years ahead. Is the addiction's solution to be found in Newt's Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! petition? Not according to T Boone:

Can't we just produce more oil? World oil production peaked in 2005. Despite growing demand and an unprecedented increase in prices, oil production has fallen over the last three years. Oil is getting more expensive to produce, harder to find and there just isn't enough of it to keep up with demand. The simple truth is that cheap and where to find cialis easy oil is gone.

If oil is dead, as T Boone tells us (the US), what should we do?

T Boone Pickens isn't stopping with defining a problem, he is outlining (forcefully) a proposed solution path. The PickensPlan is a concept for reducing America's dependence on foreign oil, to carve into the www.chemistswithoutborders.org $700 billion+ per year heading out of the United States to pay for oil. As T Boone expresses it, "the largest transfer of wealth in human history." The PickensPlan has a mixture of extremely good and important elements, and concepts that simply don't comport with energy reality. Let's take a brief look at some of this. Centerpiece of this effort is green power and green jobs: a drive for moving wind from roughly 1% of the US electrical supply to 22% by 2020. Construction and maintenance jobs for rural America with cleaner electricity for all Americans. Connect this wind produced in the center of the nation to major urban markets with HVDC cables (much like the European TREC concept). What would it take to do this?

Building wind facilities in the corridor that stretches from the Texas panhandle to North Dakota could produce 20% of the electricity for the United States at a cost of $1 trillion. It would take another $200 billion to build the capacity to transmit that energy to cities and towns. That's a lot of money, but it's a one-time cost. And compared to the $700 billion we spend on foreign oil every year, it's a bargain.

A true bargain and a vision which this author can share with T Boone. The next stage of the vision, however, is more troubling. T Boone makes a direct relationship between reaching 22% wind electricity with the 22% of electricity currently produced with natural gas turbines. For T Boone, the goal is to use the wind electricity to displace natural gas electricity to free up that natural gas for displacing petroleum currently used for transport. What's the problem here? On first brush, multiple items jump out

Okay, T Boone, I'm ready for this conversation. I can go a long with you in defining the problem. I see the value and importance of planting turbines and harvesting the wind for decades to come. But, you've lost me when it comes to natural gas. To return to T Boone's own words, "I'm T Boone Pickens. I've been an oilman all my life. But this is one emergency that we can't drill our way out of."

This is a serious problem that requires serious solutions. While not in accord with the natural gas portion of T Boone's vision, he is bringing much of value to national attention. And, I fully agree with him when he says, "It's our crisis. And, we can solve it."

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written by Clinch, July 10, 2008
It's a good plan in theory, but who's going to pay for this project? Oil will still need to be imported, so no money will be seen from that direction until the project is complete, I don't see the government paying for it (at least not while bush is in power) and I doubt he'll use his own money to pay for it all.

That's the problem with schemes like this, they talk big, but miss the small details.
I thin that, like charity, environmentalism begins at home, but the problem is, most people don't know what to do.
If Mr T-bone steak, (rather than spending millions to convince people about his plan), spent those millions on a scheme to find the meivending.com true 'greenness' (i.e. cradle to grave) of all the products we use in our everyday lives, did a conclusive report on all the possible ways to save energy in the home, and subsidised the greenest of products, then his money will have been far better spent.
The problem isn't that we need to produce more energy, it's that we need to use less.
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written by Kalyan, July 10, 2008
I read somewhere (in ecogeek?) if all the gasoline cars today are to be replaced with electric cars, electricity generation needs to increase 1/6th to meet that demand, that's close to 17%. If Mr. Pickens proposals are feasible and we are able to replace all the gasoline cars with electric cars we actually might be able to achieve oil independence. The goal might sound optimistic, but if there is a demand for fuel efficient cars some auto maker might come with a break through car like toyota prius or better. With electric cars we might have issues with all that lead and nickel used for batteries but once the dollars flow in there might be more research in that area as well. As simple as it may sound, its all about that one break through car.
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written by MarkR, July 10, 2008
Where is it stated that natural gas has peaked?

I watched TBP's 45 min interview a couple of weeks back and he stated at that point the US has more natural gas deposits/supply than current demand requires and free cialis sample could easily be the transition "bridge" fuel for the next 20 years while the electric autos are refined.

So please Mr. Segal tell us where its published that natural gas is in tight supply even more so than oil.

Thanks.
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written by MarkR, July 10, 2008
Where is it stated that natural gas has peaked?

I watched TBP's 45 min interview a couple of weeks back and he stated at that point the US has more natural gas deposits/supply than current demand requires and could easily be the transition "bridge" fuel for the next 20 years while the electric autos are refined.

So please Mr. Segal tell us where its published that natural gas is in tight supply even more so than oil.

Thanks.
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write a business proposal
written by Cameron Baron, July 10, 2008
... I wouldn't trust a word this man says. Obviousely he sees green (green as in money) at the end of this game. Of course he wants public funding to set it all up. Typical business venture... tout the benefits, get the govt to subsidize... reap all the profits. I am sure this guy is sitting on a bundle of natural gas.
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some good ideas
written by tula, July 10, 2008
I'm encouraged to see someone putting his $$ on the line to publicize this. So what if he hopes to profit from it. I'm hoping to profit from my clean-energy investments, too. Nothing is ever going to be developed unless there's a chance to profit from it. Businesses are in business to make money. It's fine to be an idealist, but the money has to come from somewhere.

He's got some good ideas. I do agree, though, that natural gas is not the way to go for transportation. It suffers from the same delivery issues (plus a few others) that things like biodiesel, electric, and hydrogen (another dumb idea) do. Electric cars are not that far off. Tesla already has a viable product, albeit an expensive one. Lithium ion batteries are much better than the old lead-acid style and are also improving. The technology is there, we just need the infrastructure to support actually using it.

Personally, I can't wait to buy an electric car. I seriously covet the cheap 25mg viagra Tesla roadster, but may have to cave and order cialis now buy something cheaper (since there will likely be something available by the time I get even 1/4 of the way toward buying the Tesla ) ;D I'm hopeful, though, that as interest in this technology grows, that more companies will join the fray and result in less-expensive technology. That's the way it works. Anyone remember the first IBM PCs? They were expensive and prices didn't drop until competitors entered the market.
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written by Mike, July 10, 2008
Cameron,

Of course he sees green. Why would he put money up if he didn't. Do you go to work for free? of course not, why should he put up his money for a venture that would knowingly not produce?

I love this site and reading/implementing different things in my life, but every decision I make has to make financial sense. Although I pay more for my electric for wind energy, that's a calculated action on my part.

Typical business venture... tout the benefits, get the govt to subsidize...

I'm with you here, but one of the problems is that regional governments consistently give the farm away through tax incentives, bonds and the get tramadol without perscreption such to attract business. Not an easy solution to fix this problem without a dissertation on it and viagra generic low price I hate what it does to the local citizens.

One example: the affordability of a house goes up in part due to the increased bonds and taxes that the local municipalities impose up its citizens. And then the gov't touts the need for low income earners to have assistance in buying houses. (higher taxes for this program too by the way) Why not manage our money better, eliminate the exploding debt and have a byproduct of reduced property taxes?

Sorry for the rant... I hate what our government has done to this country. Doesn't matter if your a D or R, your scr*#$d...
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Natural Gas
written by Proud Human Supremacist, July 10, 2008
I don't know if natural gas has peaked, but I do remember an article on Yahoo saying that natural gas prices are beginning to skyrocket. The biggest reason is so many gas-fired plants. We haven't seen a big increase in electricity because utilities buy everything with long term contracts. Plus it is now summer. When winter rolls around, the price might go up a lot.

I wasn't able to find the article that I read before, but here's a couple links:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080708_tj_naturalgaspower.37b68279.html?npc

http://www.startribune.com/business/24007659.html

Also, I don't know if oil has peaked. Saudi Arabia might be able to get us some more production a day, plus if Iraq and Nigeria could really get production up we'd have a bit more every day, but those supplies haven't been developed. Also, even if supply could be raised, it's so susceptible to disruptions, it'd be nice to have a much more stable source of energy.
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written by James W., July 11, 2008
T. Boone's a smart businessman. He wants us to invest heavily in wind energy (largely on land he owns in whole or part in Texas and buy cialis in us other states) so we can wean ourselves off oil. Monetizing the great empty wind corridor of the Mid West is a great idea, much of that land would not be changed very much ecologically by the turbines themselves but what about the needed power grid infrastructure?

Also, is this part of T. Boone's plan to get us to develop water-powered cars so that he can then sell his vast billions of gallons of water to us as fuel?
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Pickens Energy Plan Public Forum
written by scotty, July 11, 2008
There is a public discussion forum about Pickens Energy Plan Called :
www.pickensenergyplan.com
Cheers !
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Pickens' interest in electricity tied to
written by Carl, July 11, 2008
While Pickens probably does believe wind is a great investment and a key piece of the puzzle regarding oil independence.....I think it is also worth noting he has invested heavily in Texas water rights that he is having trouble selling without pipelines to major urban areas. Why is this important? Some lobbying efforts (likely his) got the Texas legislature to allow water pipelines to be built in the same right of ways as the i use it viagra tadalafil electricity transmission lines.

So Pickens' interest in wind also tied to his interest in draining and selling the water from Texas aquifers that don't replenish very quickly.

For more info see the link below.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm
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written by Tom, July 11, 2008
I think this is a plan everyone should jump on. There are downsides to everything, but I think wind has the fewest. The wind will never stop blowing. A few turbines will stop occasionally, but with enough of them, you will find a satisfactory average amount. No pollution or evil CO2, no radioactive waste, and the wind farms I have seen are pretty neat to look at. Plus, if anything better comes along, just take them out and the country is back to looking like it did before. No wasting our precious corn on fuel. In fact, farm and ranch right under these suckers! Get on board or get out of the way!
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There is no Silver Bullet, BUT...
written by MarkS, July 11, 2008
This nation is built on instant gratification. If you really listen or read what Boone is saying, he's saying we have to anything and tramadol 50mg everything as long as it's not oil from abroad. Electricity, NG, Nuclear, Hydrogen, etc...all of it. And he freely admits this isn't the be-all end-all solution. It's a bridge to the next technology which keeps our economy alive. People that squelch an idea on one point are luddites that won't consider new ideas...they just want some silver bullet or pill that fixes everything. Lead, follow or get out of the way is all I can say.

Natural gas is plentiful and here in the US, period. It's a fact, one way to know is look at the stock prices of the energy companies like Chesapeake. All he's saying is redeploy the NG from making electricity to cars for a period of time. The switchover and the infrastructure build out takes time, but realize the infrastructure to move NG around the US is in place. Moving electricity is also getting easier via superconductors, etc. The cars are already engineered to burn NG as well...Honda has the one that's handy, but GM has over a dozen models all engineered and IN PRODUCTION (just not here in the US). Ford had them and because there was no push to move to NG, they have simply shelved the technology until it makes sense to build them. And you can convert an existing car to NG...not all, but remember, if this takes 10 years to build out, will you be driving the buy levitra in new zealand car you have today? The next car you buy will probably be a car that's ready for NG or easily convertible in the next 5-10 years.

Who pays for it? The energy companies...they only need the right of ways to build the additional power lines on...one question: why not build them alongside the interstates where the right of way is already cleared? But the government does need to provide the leadership and incentives to get there...not spending money, just incentives--like the energy credits power companies get for producing certain types of electricity...this way, we're not robbing Peter to pay Paul...we're just not collecting as much new money (for a time) on the new power they are generating and selling.

A couple final thoughts. If you resent Boone for making more money...too bad--get over it. You are also resenting every small business that is run by moms and vignovin.com pops who are trying to make a better life for themselves. The fact that Boone is smart and made lots of money should only encourage you that he is on the right track. He isn't in this to lose money--HELLO! Applaude him for making money. But even more, applaude him for spending his own money to raise the debate to a national level--he's simply trying to elevate this discussion into the mainstream. Would you spend your money to do this? Now, would you spend your money if you had it (to spend) and you believed you could make a positive change in our country (on many fronts)? Boone's 80...if this takes 10 years, he may not see the benefits...I truly hope he lives to 120...but realize that he could walk away today and live very well...but he believes he can help us...what I'm asking my friends to do is read the plan, and research everything...just get yourself educated on as much and as many of these technologies you can.

The one final point I'd like to see in this forum is a section on NG.

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written by Adam Siegel, July 11, 2008
When a salesman is trying to sell you something, you should check their facts
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written by Damon Clifford, July 11, 2008
I think it's great that Pickens is putting so much money into alternative energy. For the most part his plan is great and it is getting a lot of people to talk.

However, the part of the plan that fails is the natural gas aspect for vehicles. We don't want to replace one non-sustainable energy source with another. Otherwise, we will run into the same problems with natural gas that we have with oil today.
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written by Cage, July 12, 2008
A totally renewable energy grid wont happen over night. We do need oil and coal until the renewables can make up the difference. Unfortunately we dont do anything until we're in crises mode. We had thirty years to make significant changes to our energy infrastructure and the idiots in government wasted them. We do need more electric cars though because electricity can some from such a wide variety of sources and viagra gel even running them on oil and coal generated electricity is more efficient and cleaner than running them with an ice. Electrical vehicles will also provide a means of storing more renewable energy. Speculation and restrictions on drilling and refining have had a huge impact on energy prices and dependence on foreign oil.
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So, what exactly is the plan?
written by Cameron Baron, July 12, 2008
I read the 'plan' and don't quite understand what Pickens is after. Ok, so it's going to cost alot of money. Fine. Write a business plan, start a corporation, and find investors. He wants people to get 'involved' and to spread the word. ABOUT WHAT? That it's a good idea? Of course it's a good idea. We have the production ability to make turbines, ample land, etc. Let's get going.

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Scientist
written by Leonard, July 13, 2008
OK NG and TBP naysayers, let's address a few issues repeated several times in this forum.

First, If we replace some auto oil usage with NG, we'll be in the same place a few years out because we will run out of NG. Let's say that this is true (it is uninformed BS) for the sake of argument. The point you're completely missing is this: why not pay for transportation fuel costs to US companies producing NG here in the US rather thanto foreign countries like Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Iran, Nigeria etc. Keep the money here--Duh~!?

Second, as to NG running out, nothing could be farther from the truth. The US has enormous as yet untapped NG resevoirs that are being discovered daily in massive shales by new 3D seismic shooting technology. Major NG companies like CHK, XTO, SD and many others are scrambling like crazy daily to develop these NG resevoirs. The amounts of reserves are in the 1000s of trillions of cubic feet and growing daily. All of this info is readily available from your best friend--Google.

(Side-note: 8 gallons of automobile gasoline is equivalent to 1 M cubic feet of NG. If you purchase 8 gallons of gasoline today it costs between $32 and $40. 1 M cubic feet of NG costs about $12-$13.How do you lik3e that math?)

Third, as to TBP being motivated only by self-interest, who cares? Not one of our elected government reps has ever taken any kind of leadership role in devising a national US energy plan. A businessman as well known and successful as TBP is to be commended for stepping into this leadership void and buy online no tramadol prescription providing a plan that can be implemented quickly. NG vehicles are a reality today, NG vehicle infrastructure support is a reality (over 1000 service stations and home refueling via $500 PHILL boxes) today in California. Enhancing and expanding the California model is a very realistic goal that can be achieved quickly with government and business help.
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Current Cost of NG for Transport Compare
written by Leonard, July 13, 2008
From Mike The Highway Man's web blog:

In South Carolina, the gas cost for one million BTUs (MMBTU) of natural gas is $12.9787. The only production natural gas vehicle is the Honda Civic, which has a fuel tank of 8.03 gallons of gas equivalent (GGE). GGE is the standard unit for natural gas powered vehicles. One GGE is 115,000 BTU so a fill up of a Honda Civic will involve 923450 BTUs of energy or .923450 MMBTUs. So a fill up would be $11.95. But that’s for 8 gallons equivalent, or a gallon of gas at $1.492. Which puts us at where we were in late 2003/early 2004.

Keep in mind that this based on the local natural gas monopoly’s price for a vastly different market (primarily industrial use and consumer heating). Very little is currently used for transport (other than the local bus system). Moving to a mass consumption pattern like gasoline would be a very different animal indeed.
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written by cannon, July 14, 2008
wind power yaaaa.....if you can get past the enviromentalist and N.I.M.B.Y. law suits.don't get me wrong, i LOVE wind power....and solar power....and want to buy an electric car...but folks, get real...you can't power the http://cngnewengland.com/buy-cheap-cialis-online 18 wheeler that brings the chinese goods to your local big box store on electricity, or wind. we will always need diesel fuel, wether petro based or bio based.
there is enough gas and oil to fuel 60 million cars, AND power 160 million homes for 60 years IN THE U.S. of A.....IF the enviros and leftards will let us drill for it...and yes, it can be done in an enviromentally sound way. fact is...most of the alternate fuels and levitra 50mg technology is STILL 5 to 10 years from the marketplace, on a large scale..and we need to drill here, and drill now to buy the time for these alternatives to come on line. $5.00 and $6.00 gas will wreck the ecomony, and set our energy problems back several years.
tbp has SOME of the right idea, but imo, is not looking at the big picture, and has his own agenda and interests at heart.
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written by JEFF T, August 06, 2008

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wind power?
written by nathan, December 02, 2008
we sure all like electricity to replace fuel because of high prices and what people are hypnotized into believing "global warming" but seriously, if you dont want to buy foreign oil then drill here in america! I bet that its going to cost maybe 2,000 dollars to ship one piece of a windmill because of high gas prices. But the enviromentalist get scared when we dare drill on our land. so, we have to rely on foriegn oil until the enviromentalist stop worrying too much.
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written by Michael, December 02, 2008
I agree with you Nathan. That is the only way to stop it but environentalist get angry so it limits us with stuff only they are happy for.
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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
It is all a pipe dream

Here are the facts

6000 cubic feet of natural gas is equivalent to 1 barrel of oil

There are 237 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves in the USA (estimates are up to 1190 trillion but not proven)

That is equivalent to 39.5 billion barrels of oil in USA natural gas proven reserves

USA consumes 7.5 billion barrels of oil per year
USA consumes 23 trillion cubic feet of natural gas a year

So we only have 10 years of USA proven natural gas reserves at the current consumption rate

If we convert all the cars to run on natural gas that would be an additional 45 trillion cubic feet for a total of 68 trillion cubic feet of natural gass per year

So our domestic reserves would last 3.5 years

I think Tboone must have a lot of natural gas stock and is just trying to make some money He is a liar or an idiot
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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
Using electric cars another pipe dream

USA consumes 0.003816 trillion megawatt hours per year
.55 megawatt hours is equal to 1 barrel of oil converted to electricity

therefore you need an additional 0.004125 trillion megawatt hours to replace oil with electricity

That means you need to double your electricity production

48.9% of USA current electricity generation is from coal

As I said in my previous post there is not much natural gas left

So what do you think pollutes more? Coal or gasoline?

Because if we go to electric cars what do you think they will use to generate the electricity?

Coal

If you want clean energy and you want to convert to electricity you better go Nuclear

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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
Domestic oil another pipe dream

Proven reserves of domestic oil (in USA)

30.4 billion barrels

USA usage per year 7.5 billion barrels

Total years till we run out 4 years

If we use oil sand (which the environmentalist will not because it requires strip mining) there is and buy viagra online no prescription estimate of 5.6 trillion barrels of oil sand of wich a big protion is in Canada, Venezuela and USA

about 20% is accesible leaving 1 trillion barrels

of this USA has about 32billion barrels

Therefore that combined with our 30.4 billion barrels of conventional oil reserves would be 62.4 billion at our current 7.5billion per year consumption it would give us 8.3 years and we would have to dig half the state of Utah up.


We need to build nuclear power plants and we need to build them now


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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
Wind energy

We currently consume 4.159 billion megawatts and we only generate 25,000 megawatts from wind energy

To produce 25% our our energy from wind with current technology we would need to increase our current wind generation by 41,000 times 500 Mega watts of wind meals takes up aproximately 435 acres so we would need 911 million acres That is 39.6% of the entire land in the USA So I hope you like seeing a lot of wind mills everywhere




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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
There are 104 nuclear plants in the USA that produce 19.4 % of our total electric energy. A modern nuclear plant produces 1.5 times more energy than the average of the ones we have now. Therefore to produce all our energy needs pollution free we would need to build 280 more plants and if we converted to 100 % electric cars we would need to build
630 more plants

We should have one or 2 designs and build all of them out of these one or 2 designs. Then it would be similar to the airplane industry. When you see a problem in one plant you can predict the problem in all the other plants an proactively fix the problem before it happens.

Nuclear the only way to go

Of course we should still have solar and wind but realistically it will never provide all our energy need.

Ask yourself what do you prefer coal or nuclear
because you will have to choose between these 2

the other thing that will help is increasing efficiency with insulation, ect..

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written by Sam, May 02, 2009
Upon further research I found out it takes 0.3 square miles of land use for a wind farm to produce 1 MWh of electricity so to produce 25% of our current electric power consumption of 4.1 billion MWh we would need to produce 1 billion MWh with wind therefore we would need to use 300,000,000 square miles the USA has a total of 3,700,000 square miles so therefore there is no way you can even produce 25% from wind energy
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CEO.
written by ROY FOSTER, January 22, 2010
Mr.PICKENS,IF WOULD MAKE THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON UNDERSTAND,THAT FOR EVERY DRILLING THAT IS DRILLING A WELL FROM THE VERY START TO THE FINISHED PRODUCT,CREATES ABOUT 2,000 JOBS.
THAT COULD REALY BOOST THE COUNTRY IN THE RIGHT WAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME:
ROY FOSTER
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written by ROY FOSTER, January 22, 2010
ON MY OTHER COMMIT I MENT 2,000 JOBS PER. RIG.
THANK YOU:

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