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You mean "hawk" (carry around and offer for sale) not "hock" (pawn).

"is and old idea" or do you mean "an" old idea?

Tom and Zony work for Big Oil.

Advanced designs of the Joe cell will be the united states future energy source and the oil companies know that they cant control it because its completely free....thus all the hikes in gas prices. They are getting theirs before oil becomes obsolete. ;)

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The Honda fuel-cell concept is known as the FCX Clarity.

I also agree that hydrogen is an intermediate step (at best) down the alternative-energy path.

I had a car that ran on LP gas in the 80s. It was an El Camino with a big LP tank in the back. There was a switch on the dash you could go from gasoline to LP gas with the flip of that switch.

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To be honest, I'm completely shocked and impressed at the same time. Why didn't I hear about it earlier. Yet, I admire the whole idea of using hydrogen as an alternative to gas. It works and does its job great.

and after 30 some years the OIL "CRACKHEADS" I MEAN THE OIL COMPANIES HAVE STILL KEPT THESE THINGS DOWN

watch who killed the electric car GREAT FILM just makes you sick to see some one pretty much run a small child over for money

I have seen the trailer of "Who Killed the Electric Car" movie in Discovery Channel. Looks very interesting. However, I haven't seen the actual movie yet.

Wows that news to me! The fuel cell being more efficient at turning hydrogen into mechanical power then internal combustion engine. As far as I know, most fuel cell manufacturers went belly-up because of two naggings problems; were does the hydrogen come from and lack of efficiency? That being said, I work in the early 2000 on fuel cell research and, the best one could hardly transform 35% of the hydrogen energy into electricity. When considering a full cycle (from the energy source wind, photocell or other to electricity), most fuel cell were running in the negative (ask Gaz de France) to barely positive.

Considering fuel cell best efficiency of 35%, the rest heat losses, well, BMW experimental reciprocating H2 engine achieve a whopping 50% efficiency. When one study hydrogen characteristics, its very wide ignition range make it quite possible by allowing very very lean mixture. So please, forget about the fuel cell, they are only viable in Space, because hydrogen is free over there!

Just drove the BMW 7 hydrogen last week. Drove like a normal 400 hp car. One draw back is that hydrogen is kept liquid by an evaporative cycle using… you guess it, hydrogen. This means that the tank will empty itself over time (week) in order to stay cold. And the evaporated hydrogen is “burned” expelling water AND heat. Talk about a waste of energy… by the way, that would be the same regardless of the end user is a fuel cell or reciprocating engine.

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After watching that movie a couple of times over, I cannot imagine what the executives of General Motors where thinking when they decided to crush all the EV1 pure electric vehicles and dismantled its assembly plant in early 2003, despite the fact that they know it was a commercial success. I guess the pay off from oil companies, parts manufacturers and even the government was too much to resist. Now they are paying the price by losing billions of dollars in sales of their gas guzzling vehicles. It would have a different story if they only stuck to their guns and continued improving on an already existing technology. Where else can you buy a car that you can plug at home and can run up to 80 miles on the average at one charge. With newer and improved battery like the lithium-ion available today, that EV-1 would have traveled with a higher range at this point in time and GM could have possibly redeemed itself as the number one auto maker instead of Toyota...

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