MAY 28

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somewhere, someone already do it as a change of they're personal car (search for "auto ad acqua" on youTube). waiting for their "few years" could mean that we have time to forget this possibility to run our engines better. Bye

this is news I like to hear, but I also think it will probably die a silent death. but lets not lose hope!

Where does the water condensates if there is no radiator?
And how is it injected in the engine if there is no pump?
And isn't water being a coolant here?

This seems to be a cooling system that recycles some of the energy rather than just dissipate it entirely as heat.

"Where does the water condensates if there is no radiator?" Not to sound like a jackass, but in the condenser like it says in the article. A radiator would make the most sense, but I guess that they might use a compressor. How they would drive it I don't know. Most likely belt driven in place of the water pump. I think an electric one would draw too many amps. I wish there were more technical specs on the idea.

"And how is it injected in the engine if there is no pump?"
I think they mean no more water pump in the traditional sense. One that is belt driven to run the coolant system. But there would most likely be a pump for the water like there is a pump for the gas lines. Electric, not belt driven. If I had to guess I would assume that the water is injected similar to how fuel is injected. And that would lead me to assume that it's also fuel injected. No need for a carburetor when you are already injecting something. However, I can't tell if there is a carb or not in the linking article's pict.

"And isn't water being a coolant here?
This seems to be a cooling system that recycles some of the energy rather than just dissipate it entirely as heat. "
Essentially yes. Heat is energy, so why not try to harness it, even if it is a byproduct, and use as much as we can?

Also this isn't as radical as it might seem. Turbo Prob airplanes did this several decades ago. Although the water injection wasn't on it's own stroke, it was with the air fuel mixture.

the tank with water would freeze where I live about half the year, then what?

Great idea, still can be significantly improved.

CF, a condenser IS a radiator.

I am a mechanic and inventor, I can fully understand the mechanics and the alterations needed for the injection process to be in time with each stroke. I can see using an alcohol based, such as window cleaner, in the winter time and using a magnetic oil heater to make the starts easier. I do think there may need to be alterations for the heating system for the interior of the automobile, such as an electric heating system. The alternators of today pump out a great deal of amps, especially for diesel engines. They have to produce enough power to operate the glow plugs and the electronic fuel injectors.
I had another idea in mind, but I believe this one will be the wave of the future, and running on green fuels.
Thanks

six times engine = power 50% below 4T engine

Great idea, still can be significantly improved.

I am glad that people with this ingenuity exists. There was one guy in Florida who develop an engine on HHO systems. Always overlooked before.

No problems about water freezing the system ,they had these problems many years ago, and were taken care of. With all the replies of what should be done and not be done, I bet there could be a real working steam hybrid engine that may be similiar to the subject at hand.

"six times engine = power 50% below 4T engine"

Why would you think that? A four stroke cycle has only 1 power stroke while this 6 stroke cycle has 2 power strokes. 1/4 or 2/6. I looks like the 6 stoke will create more power

I have been running a steam hybrid system in my 96 Dakota off and on for a year, when working the mileage increases from 22 to about 32 miles per gallon ( been having pump problems ) Cost is less than 500 dollars but should run a bit less once the bugs are out.

Tanks for your info. give me more info about diagram six stroke engine

Anyone thought about the metallurgy required for that kind of heat cycling? That could be a deal killer, although it is not my area of expertise...

I doubt that this design will work very well. Water and alcohol injection was used in the 1960s in the Olds Jetfire V-8s. Frankly those cars did not hold up well.
However the US Navy has used a better idea with great success. They inject sea water right inside the exhaust manifolds on some engines. The expanding steam adds more boost to the turbochargers. The Navy gets the extra power without exposing the guts of the engine to water. Obviously lugging around a lot of water would not work well for cars.

I'm not an engineer but it does seem to me that using water would add significantly to corrosion damage of the pistons due to the rapid boiling/vaporisation and would also lead to a severe loss of life expectancy for the pistons.

In the early '60s I flew on EC121 navy aircraft wich were equipt with R3350 engins. this engin had two stage centrifical super chargers, Exhaust power recovery turbins and at take-off power,WATER injection. The result was one horse power per cubic inch.

if you wrap a small coper pipe round your exhaust pipe and fed water into it very slowly at one end and exhaust the other into the inlet manifol of the engine you get a very big improvement in mpg.
hot engine befor turning on water and off before stopping

I agree with Milander, here. This may sound like a good idea in theory, but consider what happens to the hot piston and cylinder when you introduce water with a significantly lower temperature.
You get stress fractures. (not to mention possible corrosion)
This is not good for an engine.
It's possible that the piston won't get too hot, with water being introduced after every fuel detonation phase.. but it still doesn't sound like a good idea, to me.

I think there could be concerns for stress cracking since you would be subjecting the internals to temperature extremes, this could be simply combated with use of the proper metals/alloys (which should already be there) as well as appropriate atomization. Radiant heat from the cylinder walls will heat up a "fine mist of air" before cold water ever touches the cylinders. Keep in mind that the water being injected is most likely the same temperature as the fuel that has already been injected into cylinder. The water would only extract ~5% more energy or heat than gas would as it changes from a liquid to a gas. As far as corrosion, I wouldn't think that would be much to worry about since water is a majority of the byproducts produced during combustion (in ideal conditions). Not saying I'm an expert, but I am an engineer with experience with the chemistry, thermodynamics, and metallurgy involved in the concept of a 6 stroke engine. I personally feel its a fantastic idea, I've always had a problem with the fact that so much energy is lost to heat in a gas/diesel engine, kudos for someone coming up with a fantastic idea and sticking with it, I hope it is technology we see in the near future, lord knows my wallet could use it :P

Lets hope the tech is carried forward, bugs ironed out and mass production put in place, especially for omnibuses.

Is it possible with this design to incorporate an Electrolysis element to add Hydrogen injection into the fuel stroke of this motor?
...and would this increase the fuel efficiency at all?

umm, I could be wrong but hasn't water injection been available for diesel engines for years? I believe there was even some use of water injection in aircraft turbine engines.

This idea is best alone IF one has a late model car. Most newer cars have an iron block and aluminum heads. The temperature tolerances are critical. I had an overheating incident that lasted no more than 20 seconds or so in a 2001 Pontiac that resulted in a blown engine! By comparison, I had a similar, but far longer incident in a new 1976 Cadillac that resulted in no residual damage. Given the tolerances of the newer engines, I'd be reluctant to risk a couple of grand.
A better idea is to capture the now wasted heat from the exhaust and perhaps drive a modified flywheel equipped with turbine fins and a closed loop water/coolant system. This would be particularly effective on diesels.

But this just won't work. Sure it'll make steam until the engine seazes. But it will be low pressure steam, otherwise the backpressure would just stop the piston. You can do much work without the pressure.

Oops, I'd like to retract my last post. I should have looked closer. I see cycle 5 would achieve this. My appologies.